Muchu Setsumu - Explaining a Dream within a Dream - Buddhism Interpretation of Dream and Reality

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Muchu setsumu (“Explaining a Dream within a Dream”) is discussed as a way of speaking about illusion and the lack of fixed substance, often meaning the world is fleeting like a dream. The text contrasts this common view with Dogen Zenji’s teaching: the dreamlike world of reality is genuinely real, and Buddhism is practiced within this actual world. It further explains that “a dream within delusion” is not piling falsehood on falsehood, but investigating the Way of Buddha.

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Muchu setsumu and the usual meaning

Dreamlike existence as illusion

Dogen Zenji’s different interpretation

Reality within a dream

Buddhism practiced in this world

Wind, rain, water, fire and the buddhas

Lotus Sutra and “precious jeweled vehicle”

“Flowers in the sky” in the Shobogenzo

Deluded eyes versus obscured eyes

Muchu setsumu (Explaining a Dream within a Dream) Rev. Tairyu Tsunoda Komazawa University Dream and Reality “Explaining a dream within a dream” is a phrase that expresses a situation where, within a dream, someone is telling another person “Today, I saw this dream.” This is to speak of something without any substance; something which is an illusion and far from reality. Usually, this expression is used to indicate that all phenomena in the actual world do not have a fixed substance. It is used to mean “After all, this world is like a dream” or “It is something which is fleeting like a dream.” However, Dogen Zenji’s interpretation of this phrase was different. He taught that the world like a dream is in fact real and furthermore he said that Buddhism can only be practiced in this world of reality. When those imposters, who do not truly study Buddhism, encounter the teaching“explaining a dream within a dream,” they idly suppose it might mean “imagining insubstantial dream-like things which do not exist at all.” They suppose that “explaining a dream within a dream” is just like piling delusion on top of delusion. But it is not this way. When you say the words “within delusion is just delusion,” you should still thoroughly investigate that the expression “delusion on top of delusion” is the path in the vast sky (the Way of Buddha) . Here, we can understand that Dogen Zenji is saying that “explaining a dream within a dream”does not mean piling delusion on top of delusion, but rather that it is the way of Buddhism itself. Furthermore, Dogen Zenji says: “Explaining a dream within a dream” is all buddhas. All buddhas are wind, rain, water, and fire. They receive these names and they retain those names. “Explaining a dream within adream” are the ancient buddhas (the true buddhas) . In the Lotus Sutra it says,“Riding in this precious, jeweled vehicle, we immediately arrive at the Buddha’s place of the truth.” The place of the Buddha to immediately arrive at is within this precious, jeweled vehicle. Here, Dogen Zenji says that this dreamlike world of reality is all of the buddhas themselves. For this reason, all buddhas are the wind, rain, water and fire immediately in front of us. In other words, all things in the universe are the appearance of the shapes of all buddhas and these buddhas are called by the names of those things. This is to say that this very dreamlike real world is the world of all buddhas. And all of these buddhas see this dreamlike real world as the world of buddhas. “Riding in the precious, jeweled vehicle and immediately arriving at the place of the truth” means that “Shakyamuni Buddha has put us on this wonderful vehicle decorated with jewels and which immediately takes us to the place of enlightenment.” These words can be found in the “Parable”chapter of the Lotus Sutra. Picking up these words, Dogen Zenji teaches that “Immediately arriving at the place of truth is tobe riding in the precious, jeweled vehicle.” The place of truth which Shakyamuni Buddha immediately takes us to is the vehicle that we are now riding in. This means that this very vehicle itself is the Buddha’s place of truth. In other words, Dogen Zenji says that it isn’t the case that Shakyamuni Buddha will take us to some splendid world somewhere else, but rather that the Buddha’s world is nothing other than this actual world, the actual world in which we live. If We Live Within Awakening, That Is the World of the Buddhas In the “Flowers in the Sky” chapter of the Shobogenzo, there is a similar teaching. When foolish people hear that the Tathagata said, “What is seen by obscured eyes are flowers in the sky,” they think that because “obscured eyes” means the deluded eyes of sentient beings, such beings see non-existent forms in clear space. It is from this understanding and point of view that they mistakenly think that the theory of the three worlds (the world of desire, the world of form, and the world of the formless

FAQs

What does “explaining a dream within a dream” usually mean in the text?

It commonly indicates something without substance—an illusion far from reality—used to express that the actual world has no fixed essence and is fleeting like a dream.

How does Dogen Zenji reinterpret this phrase?

He teaches that the dreamlike world like reality is in fact real, and that Buddhism can only be practiced within this real world of everyday life.

According to the text, what does “within delusion is just delusion” imply?

It does not mean simply layering delusion upon delusion; it calls for thorough investigation of the expression and frames it as the path of the Way of Buddha.

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