Continuanon of OIC-302 of IRENE KASSORLA

Sep 17, 2026

Continuation of OIC-302 contains an interview transcript dated 08/31/98 regarding psychologist Irene KASSORLA’s counseling of Monica LEWINSKY. The text summarizes KASSORLA’s account of the timeline from 1992 through June 18, 1997, including in-person sessions and later telephone consultations after LEWINSKY moved to Portland. It describes the nature of the relationship LEWINSKY reported with President William J. CLINTON, KASSORLA’s concerns about discovery, and counseling advice such as using code names and not sharing details beyond another therapist.

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Continuation of OIC-302 of Irene KASSORLA

Interview background and participants

Counseling timeline and communication pattern

Reported relationship details and concerns

OFFICE OF THE INDEPENDENT COUNSEL 08/31/98 Date of transcripoon Dr.IRENE KASSORLA,dba IRENE KASSORLA,Psychologist, Inc.'96, telephone , was interviewed pursuant to tneprovisions of a form entitled,"Authorization to ReleasePsychological Treatment Records and Information,"that wasexecuted by MONICA S.LEWINSKY. Present for the interview wasAssociate Independent Counsel(AIC)MICHAEL EMMICK of the Officeof the Independent Counsel(OIC). KASSORLA,a white female,bornwasinterviewed in the office of her attorney,ALAN I.KAPLAN,1925Century Park East,Suite 600,Los Angeles,California 90067,telephone .Also representing KASSORLA was JOHN H.LAVELY,JR.,2049 Century Park East,Los Angeles,California90067,telephone,and CAROL ANN PETREN,1341 GStreet N.W.,Washington,D.C.20005,telephone .KASSORLA requested that the details of her interview not be madepublic;however,she was cautioned that the OIC could notguarantee this and that she should assume that it would be made.public. Thereafter,KASSORLA provided the following information: KASSORLA said that she would be answering questionsbased solely on her memory,as she did not take any notes orprepare any records of the content of her discussions withLEWINSKY. KASSORLA counseled MONICA LEWINSKY from 1992 to June 18,1997. KASSORLA knows LEWINSKY as MONICA LEWIS and herrecords are maintained under that name. Since January 1998,KASSORLA has maintained LEWINSKY′s file under the namein order to afford greater privacy. KASSORLA becamevery concerned for LEWINSKY when the scandai broke in January. KASSORLA counseled LEWINSKY in person until the fall of1993 when LEWINSKY moved to Portland,Oregon to attend LEWIS andCLARK COLLEGE. Thereafter,some telephone consultations werescheduled and others occurred when LEWINSKY called KASSORLA. Theconsultations did not occur on a regular basis,partially becauseof money concerns on LEWINSKY's part. KASSORLA declined toprovide the name of the person paying LEWINSKY's fees. LOS.ANGELES,CALIFORNIA_File共29D OIC LR 35063 Investigation on 08/28/98 08/31/98 b CI __Date dictated 29D OIC LR 35063 .On 08/28/98 Page 2 # Continuanon of OIC-302 of IRENE KASSORLA After LEWINSKY moved to Washington,D.C.,in the summerof 1995,KASSORLA recommended that LEWINSKY join some groupsthere in order to increase her social contacts. KASSORLAreceived a call from LEWINSKY just after her affair withPresident WILLIAM J.CLINTON began. LEWINSKY was happy,giddy,and excited when she related the beginning of her relationshipwith the President. LEWINSKY was very happy to be desired.KASSORLA was shocked and surprised at the relationship,butbelieved LEWINSKY to be truthful from the start. KASSORLAbelieved that the relationship.had just started since that iswhat LEWINSKY told her and because LEWINSKY was always veryforthright and would not hold anything back. LEWINSKY said she met with the President in a room orarea next to the Oval Office that had two doors. Over time,KASSORLA learned more about how the affairwas developing. LEWINSKY said she had performed oral sex on thePresident,that they had engaged in the usual foreplay andfondling of each other,but that they had not engaged in sexualintercourse. KASSORLA said that some of the sexual encountersoccurred while LEWINSKY and the President were standing up.KASSORLA expressed concern that the President and LEWINSKY wouldbe discovered and recommended that the two doors be locked. LEWINSKY related to KASSORLA that she and the Presidentwere lovers,but that they did not have intercourse. The President did not want to have intercourse,but his rationale isunknownto KASSORLA. LEWINSKY had orgasms by manipulatior and itwas KASSORLA's impression that the President touched LEWINSKY tocause the orgasms. At times,this affair was an overwhelminglysatisfying relationship for LEWINSKY.The affair provided helpfor LEWINSKY's problems

FAQs

Who was interviewed and under what context?

Irene KASSORLA was interviewed pursuant to an authorization to release psychological treatment records executed by Monica S. LEWINSKY. Associate Independent Counsel Michael EMMICK of the Office of the Independent Counsel was present.

What counseling period does KASSORLA describe?

KASSORLA counseled MONICA LEWINSKY from 1992 to June 18, 1997. She counseled in person until LEWINSKY moved to Portland, Oregon, and then shifted to telephone consultations.

What concerns and advice did KASSORLA provide regarding the relationship?

KASSORLA expressed concern that the President and LEWINSKY would be discovered and recommended locking the two doors. She also discussed risks to LEWINSKY’s job prospects and advised obtaining a therapist in Washington, D.C., along with using a code name for the President.

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