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Iain is a psychiatrist, a neuroscience researcher, an author, a philosopher, a literary scholar. He's an associate, a fellow of the Green Templeton College, Oxford, a fellow of the Royal College of Psychiatrists, a fellow of the Royal Society of Arts, a consultant emeritus of the Bethlem and Maudsley Hospital in London. Professor McGilchrist came into prominence with the publication of his tome, The Master and His Emissary: The Divided Brain and the Making of the Western World, which is how I came to be exposed to his work. And then 14 years later, his most recent book titled The Matter With Things: our Brains, our Delusions, and the Unmaking of the World. This was oneof those conversations that was both profound, wise and intimate.  \n(00:01:39):  \nI had never met or spoken with Iain before the camera was turned on, and I learned continually during this podcast, and I immediately felt a kinship with this man who deeply cares about the state of the world and has spent a lifetime researching what I think is the most important aspect of our situation, which is the human brain and our disconnect from the types of experience and perspectives of our ancestors. I hope you enjoy this episode as much as I did. Please welcome Dr. Iain McGilchrist. Dr. Iain McGilchrist, good to meet you sir.  \nIain McGilchrist (00:02:33):  \nVery good to be with you, Nate. Thank you for asking me along.  \nNate Hagens (00:02:38):  \nI've been making it a habit when I say hello to people in other countries that I greet them in their language. But since you're in Scotland, I didn't know if I should just startswearing or how to greet someone in Scottish.  \nIain McGilchrist (00:02: 55):  \nAny kind of suitable animal noise that suggests some appreciation, will do.  \nNate Hagens (00:03:03):  \nThe Great Simplification  \nSo, let me bring you up to speed here. Some things you might not know. 20 years ago I started my PhD. I left Wall Street because I could see how the pieces were starting to connect and that humans were having a real problem with climate change, the environment, resources, et cetera. And I started my PhD with a British psychiatrist on my advisory committee by the name of Dr. Peter Whybrow and we were going to look at why we don't so much face an environmental problem or a resource problem, but amismatch of the human brain with our current situation. And then I ended up diving into energy and I left that aside, but reading your books, and to be honest, I've had them for two months and I've not made my way through them. I called Daniel Sch machtenberger and said, I'm interviewing Iain McGilchrist next week.  \n(00:04:03):  \nCould you leave me some pointers? He left me a 19 minute Voxer that I would need a librarian to translate. But it seems that all along you have been talking about the same thing, which is that our brains are driving much of what's going on. So I don't want to rehash what you've done on lots of other excellent podcasts and videos. And you sent me that animated video, which I think is great. I want to apply it to this superorganism environmental dynamic. But for those people who are not familiar with your work, could you give kind of an elevator pitch, but a long-ish one on the core points in your two main books, The Master and His Emissary, and The Matter With Things, if you would.  \nIain McGilchrist (00:04: 57):  \nYes, I can do that. I think the fi rst thing that I would point out is I don't believe that the brain is driving these things in some sort of way. I believe that there are many causes of the crisis that we're in now, some of them economic, some of them political, some of them sociological, and it has many aspects. So I'm not saying it's the brain that causes the crisis we're in, but the brain has become hijacked in a way by the way we are thinking now, and that that's important for us to realize. 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