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We had open and honest discussions with everyday people about their individual relationship journeys, some ending in heartbreak and others in redemption, but all with powerful stories to tell.  \nMatt: In season three, you will hear more of the same stories from other marriage and divorce survivors, as well as from our new co-hosts. Eva and Roane Hunter from LifeWorks counseling, Eva and Roane are both licensed professional counselors and we're excited to partner with them and hear the different perspective they're going to have for all of our listeners.  \nCraig: Speaking of listening, if you're new to our podcast, and haven't heard seasons one and two, be sure to check them out on iTunes, Spotify, or your favorite podcast player. Now sit back, relax and enjoy today's show. What you're about to hear is going to help.  \nEva: Hi this is Eva Hunter with life works counseling. This is a reading from Matthew 19 “Jesus replied, Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard, but it is not this way from the beginning.”  \nCraig: So thanks for tuning in again to another episode of the Robertson and Easterling podcast. I'm here with my law partner, Matt Easterling.  \nMatt: Hello everybody.  \nCraig: And we have Rhone Hunter with us as well.  \nRoane: I am here. Thank you. Yeah.  \nCraig: And so the Robertson and Easterling podcast is sponsored by a life works counseling. You can check out our friends online at [LifeWorks.ms. So what do you](LifeWorks.ms. So what do you) get when you put two divorce lawyers, a marriage counselor, and a pastor in one room together while you get today's episode of the Robertson and Easterling pod. Okay. As we're here with Ben Derrick, who is a pastor at the vertical church, and Ben is going to walk with us as we talk through what the Bible says about divorce, and we're going to be talking through some common misconceptions. It's a conversation that I've really been wanting to have for a long time now. So Ben, thanks for joining us.  \nBen: I would say I'm glad to be here, but that'd be a lie. No, I'm kidding. I'm glad to be here around before he asked me to be here was a good friend we're working through that now but I'm happy to oblige to have this conversation. I think that word that you use is actually why I'm sitting here being a southerner, being a long-term Christian. The fact that you guys were inviting me into a conversation and treat me a dialogue. That's what I'm interested in having. So I'm a pastor, I'm an interpreter of the Bible, but in this may be the most controversial thing I'll say today. I did not write the Bible. So it is my job to read it, to think about it and to follow what it says as best as I can understand and help other people do that. So I'm excited to have this conversation around man, a difficult as you guys well know a difficult topic.  \nCraig: Listen, I'm at peace with it because I see myself and I see my job is not a decision maker for an individual. I'm a resourcer. And so the direction that a person decides to take their life in is quite frankly, none of my business. And so if a person comes into my office, And they are wanting to restore their marriage I'm for them. If a person comes into my office and feel like it's time to end it, then I help resource them through that. 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